Plato's Euthyphro

This is a summary of some of the points we covered in lecture.


After running into Euthyphro outside of king-archon's court and hearing about why Euthyphro is there, Socrates is not convinced that Euthyphro prosecuting his father for murder is the just or pious thing to do. He asks Euthyphro to teach him about what piety and impiety are, so that he can see for himself whether what Euthyphro is doing to his father is a pious act. This, then, begins the heart of the dialogue--a rigorous discussion about what piety and impiety are.

(1) Euthyphro's 1st Attempt
Euthyphro first tries to explain to Socrates what piety and impiety are by giving him examples. He says, "the pious is to do what I am doing now, to prosecute the wrongdoer, be it about murder or temple robbery or anything else, whether the wrongdoer is your father ot your mother or anyone else." (5e)

(2) Euthyphro's 2nd Attempt
Euthyphro then defines piety and impiety as follows: "what is dear to the gods is pious, what is not is impious." (7a).

(3) Euthyphro's 3rd Attempt
After some prompting by Socrates, Euthyphro next settles of the following definition of piety: "the pious is what all the gods love, and the opposite, what all the gods hate, is impious." (9e)

The idea here is that there has to be an order of explanation. Either the gods recognize pious things and love them because they are pious, or else the gods simply love whatever things they do, and it is because gods love these things that they are pious. So it looks like we are faced with a dilemma: on the one hand, if we say that things are pious because the gods love them, then it looks like what is pious or not depends on the arbitrary whim of the gods. For what the gods may love or not love seems to be as arbitrary as whether you like or dislike mint chocolate chip ice cream. That piety and impiety could be as willy-nilly as all this seems to run counter to our initial intuitions about what piety is. However, on the other hand, if things are pious independently of the gods, and the go end up loving the pious things because they are already pious, then it looks like the role of the gods is diminished. For why would we need the gods if things are pious and impious independently of them? Moreover, defining "piety" as that which all the gods love is not getting us any closer to figuring out what piety is. For it may be fine and good that all the gods love what is pious, but Socrates wanted to know what piety was, not what a consequence of it was (e.g., that all the gods love it). This leads Socrates to complain, "you told me an affect or quality of [the pious], that the pious has the quality of being loved by all the gods, but you have not yet told me what the pious is." (11b)


(4) Euthyphro's  4th Attempt
Again prompted by Socrates, Euthyphro next tries to say how just actions and pious actions are related. He then claims that "the godly and pious is the part of the just that is concerned with the care of the gods, while that concerned with the care of the men is the remaining part of justice." (12e)

The idea is something like this: justice covers a lot of things--things having to do with gods and men. Piety, on the other hand, only has to do with the just things that concern only gods (and not men). So while all pious things are just, not all just things are pious.


(5) Euthyphro's 5th Attempt
Euthyphro then amends his account by claiming that the kind of care he was talking about was the kind of care "that slaves take of their masters." (13d) And goes on to endorse the view that piety is (as Socrates puts it) "a sort of trading skill between gods and men." (14e)

In response, Euthyphro then claims that our serving the gods simply pleases them, or is dear to them. At which point, Socrates counters that that Euthyphro has now come full circle, since it looks like he is back to the claim that what is pious is that which is pleasing or dear to the gods. Socrates then starts in again, saying that he still wants to know what piety is, and that they "must investigate again from the beginning what piety is." (15d).  Frustrated, Euthyphro leaves. And so the dialogue ends.


Sources:

Plato, Euthyphro in The Trial and Death of Socrates, translated by G. M. A. Grube, Hackett Publishing (1975).


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